Can You Identify The Heraldic Symbol On The Front Of This Stein?

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  • #51839 Reply

    smazzone
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    I have the Muskauer Birnkrug shown in the accompanying photograph. On the front is what appears to me to be a heraldic symbol of some sort. Can anyone tell me what it represents? Thank you.
    Muskauer Birnkrug

  • #51840 Reply

    smazzone
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    Trying again to add image.
    Muskauer Birnkrug

  • #51862 Reply

    George

    Nice Birnkrug. Anyway, I would try a heraldic website and/or Facebook page. Ensure you give an approximate age of the vessel to include additional geographical information. Where did Muskauer reside back then…. What state was it in, if any….

    Good luck,
    George

  • #51905 Reply

    smazzone
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    Thanks for your input, George. The lid is dated “M.E.” “1744”, a dating that seems about right. I believe it to be an authentic mid-18th century Muskauer Birnkruk. Muskau was in the Lusatian region of Germany, adjacent to Poland. I have been trying all sorts of Google searches using various search terms that might yield clues. I’ve also been searching coats of arms for Muskau and nearby (and some not so nearby) cities. No joy. Any idea what the crossed something-or-others are? They’re definitely not swords.

  • #51959 Reply

    George

    I have no idea what the “crossed something-or-others” are. Have fun on your journey! You’ll learn a lot along the way.

  • #52361 Reply

    smazzone
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    My research has led me to the conclusion that the “crossed something-or-others” are in fact impressionistic representations of the crossed swords of the coat of arms of the Imperial Arch Marshal of the Electoral College that chose the Holy Roman Emperors from the 13th to the 19th centuries, a position that was held by the Elector of Saxony. However, although my research uncovered a number of coats of arms comprising a field of vertically oriented square lozenges similar to those on my stein, I have been unable to find anything that would tie any of them to any Elector of Saxony, nor have I been successful in finding an overall match for my stein’s coat of arms.

    • #52362 Reply

      Ron

      smazzone,

      I think I will try answering someone that actually comes back to see the answers to his questions. However, I really don’t have the answer for you, just some hints. This site may help you understand the terminology when trying to do an online search, http://www.internationalheraldry.com/. I think the left side of your crest shows crossed sabers rather than swords. The right side is a diamond pattern. A very simple crest, so probably a minor family. I have a Steinzeug book that shows the crest of Herzog zu Sachsen. It is simple with crossed swords on the left and a line pattern with an arch on the right.

      Good luck in your search.

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