October 4, 2015 at 8:02 pm #27590
The Beer Stein Book and The Mettlach Book are both fairly dated at this point. Does anyone know if Gary Kirsner will be updating his books or coming out with new additions with current values?
October 4, 2015 at 10:55 pm #27591
I don’t know if Gary is planning anymore books, but there are other sources available. There is no set market (like the Blue Book for autos) for resale of used beer steins. There are other sources, but you have to take such values with a grain of salt. The beer stein auctions list a price range and they publish the sale price, which includes the buyer’s premium. Minimum bids are usually 80% of the minimum (some cases it could go as low as 50%), so adding in the buyers premium almost guarantees that if it sells it will be in the price range. There has been a decline in prices, so a lot of lots do not attract a bid. The Beer Stein Library, membership required, also shows a price range, but I don’t know how up-to-date the prices are. Since stein auction prices include commissions, the seller only nets about 2/3 of the auction price. The prices on ebay are generally at the lower end of the price ranges or less. Remember you are usually dealing with an unknown seller and have to pay freight (both ways if you have to return it). Ebay only shows auction results for the last three months.
I hope this helps answer your pricing concerns.
October 5, 2015 at 2:08 am #27594
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October 5, 2015 at 6:04 pm #27598
Subscribe to The Beer Stein Library on-line.
October 6, 2015 at 7:44 pm #27605
It seems highly unlikely to me.
October 7, 2015 at 12:39 pm #27614
Give him a call at 928-227-3723. Another good source for prices is Beer Stein Library. Their site is listed on our SCI site. Richard
October 7, 2015 at 1:18 pm #27615
I have a hard time with ‘value’ questions. The bottom line is that no matter what you collect, the value is what people are willing to pay for it. I collect military steins. Specifically from the period 1914 – 1945. Both Kirsner’s auction site and Fox auctions have sold steins for way more than I’m willing to pay…but obviously someone is so if you go to the right place you can get more for your item.
In my case I’m patient and I’m able to find the items for my collection for half of what they go for on those auction sites. I use Kirsner’s old books to determine ‘relative’ value. In other words, if he said one was worth $300 and the other was worth $100 back in 1995 then I keep that in mind when looking.
Personally, if I were selling, I’d go Kirsner or Fox simply because they sell steins at a premium price and have a good reputation with collectors. But I won’t buy there unless I hit the lottery. lol
October 7, 2015 at 9:43 pm #27619
Market value as opposed to personal “willing-to-pay” value are apples and oranges. The Beer Stein Library market values give a frame of reference for buyers that the old books don’t. TBSL is most useful for Mettlach other steins for which the manufacturer is known. A lot of us utilize ebay to grow our collections. Some ebay sellers, potsinacnj comes to mind, ask sky-high prices and don’t negotiate seriously. If you really want something, you may buy it regardless, but I think that most collectors aren’t made of money, and having a ready source of market values helps avoid being or feeling ripped off.
October 8, 2015 at 4:11 am #27620
Most value in reference book are dated, and if not, or soon will be, and are valuable only from a comparative basis. Ultimately the market place dictates dictates pricing. In the past, before the eBay days, the auction sales, for the most part, created the market. Since the advent of eBay, the market is being set by averaging sales results from auctions (primarily those auctions that specialize in steins), eBay and more recently Etcy.
eBay has acted as the market leveling force as auction house pricing reached peak pricing in the ’80s due to what was a relatively small market prior to the advent of eBay.
Today, for the most part ebay sales (not listings) set the low end of the value range while the auctions houses tend to test the high limits of value. This is only natural as eBay sales are associated with higher risk due to sales by less sophisticated sellers and buyers while on the other hand specialty stein auction house sales are backed by professional description and evaluations.
The less sophisticated collector and buyer can get a good idea of the market by watching eBay sales and action house to get an idea of what a particular stein or class of stein is selling.
October 9, 2015 at 12:55 am #27629
Thank you for all your responses and insight.