Help confirm this is a Girmscheid stein?

This topic contains 14 replies, has 5 voices, and was last updated by  Vince Girmscheid 4 years, 7 months ago.

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  • #27814 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    Hi, to make a long story short, I bought what a seller on eBay said was “probably a Mathias Girmscheid stein.” I recently purchased it, since my family name is Girmscheid, and I reside in the US. I’m not sure if my name is related at all to the stein maker, and my knowledge of the company is very limited to what I can find on the internet. So in short, i’m beginning to collect said Girmscheid steins, in hopes that I might be loosely related to the company. My wife and I are travelling to Germany (first time for me) this holiday, and are going to try and get to Töpferei Girmscheid company as it still exists. Searching the “mysteincollections.com” archive for Girmscheid steins shows a lot of similarity to this one, but that’s about as far as I can get.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated to identifying this stein. It stands about 12″ tall. There are no markings underneath the stein, and appears dirty, but will not wash off. My wife is a German teacher here in the states, and loosely translating the text on the stein. She attributes a lot of the text to being an old dialect of German. The only other text on the stein that i’ve found is the “2L” 2 litre marking close to the top. Again, any and all help would be awesome, I appreciate it greatly!!

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  • #27815 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    Sorry about that, didn’t attach the links correctly.

    EDITED TO SHOW MORE CONTRAST

    • #27818 Reply

      rsatterfield
      Participant

      I don’t see either the stein or the handle in the beer stein library. It appears to be either a Girmscheid or a Remy. Remy steins can easily be mistaken for Girmscheids.

  • #27816 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    This first of the two photos of the bottom, is edited to show more contrast.

  • #27817 Reply

    Bill G
    Participant

    Vince, it’s a wonderful stein. I agree that it appears to be a Girmscheid, but generally they show their mold number. Is there one very weakly on the bottom? I would suggest that you collect old Girmscheids rather than the new ones. You have a great one to start a gnome collection! I’ll look around more to find your stein in a catalog, and you double check the bottom carefully.

  • #27819 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    Thanks for the input! I’ve looked over the bottom the best I could, and nothing. I even tried to stencil out of the bottom by rubbing a pencil over paper on the bottom, hoping to reveal a mark of some sort.

    Any idea what year this might be?

    Again, thanks for the help!!!

  • #27820 Reply

    Bill G
    Participant

    Vince, I’d say your stein was made around 1900-1910 but some would say after 1914 when cobalt paint was replaced by green. Randy is correct that your stein is not listed in the beer stein library. I strongly encourage you to join that website, beerstein.net to learn more about Girmscheid steins and more. Of course, membership in SCI is valuable to collectors but The Beer Stein Library can be very useful daily. Send some photos of your stein once you’ve joined.

  • #27886 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    Thanks! I’ll probably join soon, as I just found another Girmscheid stein to purchase. I’ll post better pictures when I get it in the mail, but this is the one I had just won.

  • #27887 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    I also had a quick question about the top on my first stein. I assume it’s pewter, but not 100% sure. Any tips on cleaning/polishing the lid?

    • #27905 Reply

      Walt
      Keymaster

      If the lid seems dirty (tobacco smoke and cooking grease are both fairly common), you can spray it in the sink with 409 and scrub the nooks and crannies with a toothbrush, that will not remove any oxidation.

  • #27892 Reply

    Bill G
    Participant

    Vince, you should not polish the lids–just dust with a soft dry cloth if needed. The patina of the pewter lid is usually appreciated by stein collectors. Often the inside might be shiny while the outside shows age. Look at many of the new steins and notice the shine that generally isn’t on antique steins. I suppose if you had a silver lid (which is unusual) you might want to polish it. Another note: your new stein would be considered a lidless stein.

  • #27893 Reply

    Bill G
    Participant

    Just looking back at your lid, maybe there is something that might be used to clean it up a bit. Water wouldn’t hurt it. Any other suggestion from collectors?

  • #27907 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    Thanks for the tips, I agree on leaving the patina. Didn’t know if orwter reacts weird to diffrenet cleaning products. I’ll try a spot with 409 carefully.

    It’s more so just got a lot of dirt in the books on the lid.

  • #27929 Reply

    Lyn Ayers
    Participant

    In the members section of the SCI website, there is a category of manufacturers catalogs. It can be searched by model number or just paged through by manufacturer. Unfortunately we have no catalogs of steins made by Girmscheid.

    With that being said, I am not convinced it was made by Girmscheid. If you are really curious, you might page through the catalog pages of Thewalt or JW Remy and see if you can find a picture of it in one of them.

    I hope this helps a bit.

  • #27931 Reply

    Vince Girmscheid

    Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it! I will be joining after the holidays, and anticipate buying more steins soon. My wife even gave me the go ahead to buy more, so this is soon to be all her fault!

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