Would like to have your input on this Stein

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  • #50419 Reply

    Don Kazarian
  • #50431 Reply

    Ron

    Don,

    I couldn’t access your photos. Fabrikmarke meansFactory Mark, itis not the manufacturer.

    • #50437 Reply

      Ron

      Don,
      The only stein that tall would be the Gerz 32L stein showing a Flemisch Church Festival. It probably has a lid of a naked boy playing the harp. Gerz did put Fabrikmarke on some steins.

  • #50554 Reply

    Don Kazarian
    • #50558 Reply

      Ron

      Don,
      We still can’t see your photos. I think the problem is you are posting them on your gmail account and we can’t access it. The top of the Forum page tells you how to post photos.

    • #50570 Reply

      George

      Don,

      Try using https://imgbb.com to put photos on Stein Talk.

      George

  • #50575 Reply

    Don Kazarian

    Stein Picture

    • #50589 Reply

      Ron

      Don,

      That works when you right click on it and open it in a new tab.

      This is the Gerz 32 L stein with the domed lid. The secene is based on a painting by David Teniers the Younger entitled Flemish Kermess (Flemish Church Festival) painted in 1652. You can view the painting at https://www.wga.hu/html_m/t/teniers/jan2/2/kermess.html. The painting was misidentified as being a Flemish Wedding by Pieter Brueghel for over 35 years.

      The Gerz mark is a jug inside a triangle. The word under is Fabrikmarke (factory mark) dates from 1896. You can see it at http://www.steinmarks.co.uk/pages/pv.asp?p=stein88. SteinMarks.co.uk dates the mark to circa 1936, but I don’t know his source. My source for 1896 and later is from Keramik-Marken Lexikon by Dieter Zuehlsdorf amd is considered authoritative (but that doesn’t guarantee no errors). The domed lid probably dates from the mid-20th Century. The King Gambrinus on a barrel lid is the most popular lid and gives it the greatest height at about four foot. The naked boy lid (some call him a cherub, but he lacks wings) is shorter in height.

      When Gerz went bankrupt, Domex bought the name and some molds. Zoeller & Born bought the Flemish Kermess molds (32 L and 15 L versions), but they have recently ceased production.

      There is a wide range of prices for these steins and it will depend on the condition ofthe stein, the coloring and the lid. The ones made by Z&B have a darker background. I think the Z&B price for the newer ones was aroung $2,500. Prices in the secondary market would be a lot lower. The typical range is %500 to $1,500 in mint condition. A newer one with a less popular lid would be in the lower range. I have seen them priced a lot higher, but they don’t seem to sell. There is a limited market for this size stein. It is also expensive to ship.

      The German verse at the top translates to “He who can empty this stein is truly a man!” The bottom features monkeys (for drunkeness) and cats (for hangovers).

    • #50617 Reply

      Ron

      Don,

      Is there a mold number or capacity number on the bottom of your stein?

  • #50577 Reply

    Don Kazarian

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  • #50744 Reply

    Francatan

    Ron,

    I wish to add something to all you correctly said.

    After Gerz went bankrupt, Z&B is the manufacturer that still produce the stein upon custom order, and the stein is colored in rustic brown only.

    The classic Gerz colored stein was glazed yellow, you already know that I got both steins, and in my personal opinion price of a Gerz secondary market in mint condition might be not lower than a new rustic colored Z&B. Glazed colored is better than rustic, definitely.

    I remember that the German shop where I bought my steins had in stock a stein colored black with gold rim and sale price was higher, can’t remember exactly how much. That was the highest sale price I’ve ever seen, even if that was not the most beautiful stein. Colored is much more flashy.

    And no mold number or capacity number on the bottom of my steins, but I think you knew that.

    • #51220 Reply

      Ron

      Fran,

      I don’t know what happened to Don. I was hoping for some answers from him.

      The reason I added the last question to the post is that I found one auction listing that did mention a number, which I presumed was the mold number. We know these steins weren’t for drinking or pouuring, so they didn’t have a fill line and capacity mark. Sometimes they did put the capacity on the bottom of the stein just to rate its size. I was hoping to find one that would confirm the 32 L claim. The article in the Tri-State Trader in 1971 did state that Gerz claimed it held 32 L and that, along with the world’slargest stein claim, has been accepted for a number of years.

      I thought I put the 39 L claim to bed, but another person is claiming he has a stein that holds 39 L and it aiin’t the Girmscheid stein. I am trying to address that claim now or my article.

      Z&B dosen’t have anybody that can fire the 32 L stein at present. I have seen this stein at higher prices, but they don’t seem to be selling.

  • #51243 Reply

    Francatan

    Ron,

    it’s out of question that there are thousand and thousand kind of steins in the world, most of them minor value and maker unknown, but the larger, the most impressive ought to be known by the main collectors.

    We talked a lot about which was the biggest stein in the world, and now you say that another person is claiming he has a stein that holds 39L and it ain’t the Girmscheid stein. I’m really curious to know more details about that stein, if possible a photo will be appreciate.

    In the past I made a lot of search on internet looking for the largest stein in the world and never found anything other than the Gerz 32L and the hypothetical Girmscheid 39L.

    I’ll be waiting news from you, but I feel the sensation that is a joke.

  • #51266 Reply

    Ron

    Fran,

    It is not a joke, but I don’t believe it is true. I just need to come up with a plan to convince him. Until I can do so, I don’t want another rumor out there.

  • #52363 Reply

    Don Kazarian

    rRon,

    Here are some additional pictures of the Stein I have. Sorry for not posting them sooner. Been very busy lately. Any additional information would be helpful.

    Thanks,

    Don Kazarian

    stein

    Stien

    Stein

    Stien

    • #52365 Reply

      Ron

      Don,

      This is Gerz mold 1540, a 32 L stein with removable lid. Are there any other questions you want answered? It also comes in a 5 L and 15 L version. The King Gambrinus on a barrel lid makes it the tallest stein. There are a couple on ebay, but they are not selling at the asking prices. Shippping and insurance adds several hundred dollars to the cost. This is more popular for a bar than a home.

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