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From: Walt Vogdes
Remote Name: 24.113.100.133
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2007
Time: 01:06:57 PM
It seems unlikely to me that either Ringer or Hahn created this design. Their works are normally - tho not always - signed, and while both may have used similar floral design to frame their works, by itself this is too generic to suggest one of them. In addition, Ringer designed script, and this verse is again in a generic style of the times.