German circular leaded glass windows ID/help

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  • #55809 Reply

    Jimbo

    Hey guys, so this is a little bit different and not a stein related question… But I am hoping since these smallish circular windows appear to be German and date to the latter part of the Golden era of beer steins, that maybe someone has seen one of these before and might know a little bit about them. I have seven total, each different, but google has been of no use in identifying the. I have one picture for now, but will add others + diameter later after work.

    [img]https://i.ibb.co/XZjBsTH/Leaded-glass-circular-window-1.jpg[/img]

    ^ Let me know what you guys think, and thanks in advance!

  • #55810 Reply

    Walt
    Keymaster

    This leaded glass was apparently meant to hang in a window. It honors Alfred Schenk Count (Graf) von Stauffenberg, born 1860, died 1936.
    https://second.wiki/wiki/alfred_schenk_graf_von_stauffenberg
    The decoration is the von Stauffenberg family arms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stauffenberg

    Alfred Schenk von Stauffenberg was the father of Berthold von Stauffenberg who was a key conspirator in the failed attempt to assassinate Hitler. I have not found any significance to the year 1893.

    Assuming the other plaques you have are related to this one, it will be interesting to see them.

  • #55812 Reply

    Ron

    Jimbo,

    Per SecondWiki, Stauffenberg joined the Württemberg army , became a lieutenant in 1883 and a captain in 1897 . On May 30, 1904, he married Karoline Countess von Üxküll-Gyllenband (1875–1956).

    If the date was significant Stauffenberg, was in the Army and it was before he was married. It also could be a date significant to the original owner or the date made. Are the other windows dated?

  • #55814 Reply

    Jimbo

    Sorry for the delay. I was blindsided by a couple honey do list items and nearly forgot about these little leaded windows… Thanks for the replies and info Walt & Ron. Here are a couple more. I will get the rest done tomorrow and photograph the first 3 again with my t7i too. Also, I will take the photos with light passing through them as they look so much better – way more detail and the color really pops. Anyway, here are a couple more taken with my old iphone 6s ->

    Leaded-glass-circular-window-3
    Leaded-glass-circular-window-2

    • #55820 Reply

      Ron

      Jimbo,

      It is obvious these three were made as a set. Are all three service related? The three different dates are a real mystery.

  • #55821 Reply

    Jimbo

    Hi Ron,

    I honestly have no idea, I purchased them from a dealer who bought them from a young person that was liquidating their great grandmother’s estate. The heir provided zero insight to the dealer… I just bought them since I thought they were unusual and aesthetically appealing to me. So, I have all 7 photographed now and will attach them to end of this message. The only good light source I had at my disposal was a floor standing lamp with s riffled shade that manages to emit decent diffused light (but the shade is beige – which works a bit like a filter unfortunately).

    German-Glass-window-1
    German-Glass-window-2
    German-Glass-window-3
    German-Glass-window-4
    German-Glass-window-5
    German-Glass-window-6
    German-Glass-window-7

  • #55825 Reply

    Walt
    Keymaster
  • #55826 Reply

    Walt
    Keymaster

    These are all centuries-old coats of arms for mid-level royal families. They are not specific to these individuals, but rather the family and the position. The fact that the dates are not all the same means that they are not associated with a common event.

  • #55839 Reply

    Jimbo

    Thanks Ron & Walt! Thanks to you two I have plenty of information to help hone my search. These hand painted roundels are quite interesting and I look forward to learning more about them.

  • #55840 Reply

    John Piet

    Jimbo,
    These are fascinating pieces of history. Thanks for sharing with us. What is the diameter of the pieces? My guess is that they were part of a window in a church or some public building. Researching the names on the glass pieces might uncover some commonality between the men being honored or remembered. Try searching for images on German ebay and the internet using the terms “bleiglasscheibe” (lead glass pane) and “wappen” (coat of arms) to see if you can find something similar or someone who may give you more information.

    FYI, on the pane inscribed “Konrad Freiherr v Gültlingen s/l Max Prinz von Schaumburg-Lippe”, the “s/l” is short for “seine/liebe” (his/friend), implying that the pane was donated by Konrad in honor of his friend Max.

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