Help ID stein

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  • #54864 Reply

    Jimbo

    I recently purchased a group of steins, and one of them is definitely out of my wheelhouse… It appears to be transfer and hand-painted stoneware. There is a mark on the base that consists of a two and possibly an asterisk right next to it? I have embedded some pics to this message, any insight would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Jimbo

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  • #54866 Reply

    Walt
    Keymaster

    I tried to cut and past your image links into my browser address bar but all of them showed only the right hand side. That includes a university student dedication from on fraternity member to another, but with limited view that’s all I can tell you.

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    Jimbo
    • #54875 Reply

      Walt
      Keymaster

      I believe the body of the stein was made by Marzi & Remy although it does not bear any factory trademark. The “2” and “*” are most likely some sort of process marks, such marks are often present on steins, and by and large they are unknown and insignificant. The center scene depicts a student in his dress outfit, including cap. The stein was exchanged between two university students in Wurzburg in 1910. The nicknames of the two students are shown in the right side dedication. Note the Zirkel following their names, a cypher which is unique to each fraternity and which was traditionally used as part of a signature. Tupfer presented it to Moni. At that time, Tupfer was an officer in the fraternity as indicated by the three x’s following his name in the dedication, and Moni had previously (indicated by the parentheses) held the same office. The dedication continue on the other side of the handle – “Z. fr. Erg.” is an abbreviated form of Zur freundlich Errinerung which means in fond remembrance, and it was given following the summer semester of 1910. It’s difficult to tell for certain, but the Zirkel on the stein in the center scene appears to be the same as the Zirkels behind the signatures, which shows nice attention to detail. The specific fraternity can sometimes be identified by careful study of the Zirkel. There are a number of articles about student steins and traditions in the Library section of this site.

    • #54876 Reply

      Jimbo

      Walt,

      Thanks for all the information regarding this student stein, I have no background when it comes to the old German universities/fraternities/cypher so the knowledge is most welcome. I will find and look through some of the articles you mentioned too… I usually collect Mettlachs, characters + the occasional wood stein but I like this stein and the price was right at $10 – so I will keep it in my collection. Thanks again!

  • #54872 Reply

    Ron

    Jimbo,

    Your stein was most likely made by Marzi & Remy. They did a lot of those designs on the same body encircling the main picture in blue with green wreaths. You can see some of the Marzi & Remy (2) Old Manufacturing Catalog, pages 12, 16, 22 and 37 under the Reading section. I tried searching “Wurzburg soll leben” in The Beer Stein Library, but I didn’t get any hits. You can also scan thru some of the M&R steins in that site’s catalog in the 1300 series. Bruder Tannhauser purchased stein bodies from M&R and they produced some very similar. See their catalog under Old Manufacturing Catalogs. Check for marks on the lid. SteinMarks.co.uk might have more clues for you.

  • #54874 Reply

    Jimbo

    Ron,

    I appreciate the insight and assistance… I believe you are correct, the Merkelbach and Wick specimen is very similar to my stein. Thanks for the help! I will check out steinmarks too and see if they have anything similar to the mark on the base of this stein.

    • #54880 Reply

      Ron

      Jimbo,

      I looked at the Wuerzburg University student associations and did not find a match for the Zirkel.

      The mark on the bottom of your stein has been known as being unidentified for a number of years. As I recall though, I think someone recently came up with the explanation. Unfortunately, I don’t remember where or when I saw it.

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