Yard sale find. Trying to get a closer date.

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    Hello, I found a beer-stein at a local yard sale I’m planning on giving my dad as a gift. A little research has turned out a general time period but I’m trying to find a more accurate date. On the bottom it has a WW mark but one of the W is smaller and “resting” on the inside of the larger W. I’ve found it to be made by Wick-Werke Company which was founded in 1920’s and ended in 1984. There is a the number 82 and DBGM which I found was a patent mark and I think those where dated post 1949. so I have a time period from 1949-1984. Is there any other way to find a closer date? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
    Bottom Mark
    Inside of top lid
    Better image of the Patent mark.

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    That is about as close as you are going to get.

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      Really? That’s a shame. Thank you.

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      It is only a minority of ceramic steins produced after about 1865 that reveal their date of manufacture in either their design (e.g., commemoratives) or in their base marks (Mettlach being the only manufacturer which routinely did this). Complicating the question of dating is the fact that most designs (models) were produced over a period of more than one year, perhaps even decades, and they are indistinguishable from one another. As a result, for a specific stein we are usually limited to determining (or approximating) its date of FIRST MANUFACTURE, i.e., “it was made no earlier than xxxx and probably no later than yyyy.”

      You express disappointment that the date of your stein cannot be narrowed down between 1949 and 1984. Why is that? Let’s say you have two examples of the same stein, indistinguishable from each other, along with their original purchase receipts, one dated 1949, the other 1984. With all other things being equal, knowing the precise date of purchase will make absolutely no difference in any way.

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    John Harrell

    Hello Anthony,
    I am pretty certain that DBGM is the successor to D.R.G.M. the former German registration office whose full name was Deutsches Reichs Gebrauchs Musterschuetz. This was NOT a patent office. It registered designs but did not issue copyrights. I think that DBGM replaced D.R.G.M. after the end of WW II. I suspect that the letter “B” stands for “Bundes” replacing “Reichs”
    You can probably find DBGM on Google and contact them in English with your questions. If the number “82” is a DBGM number they can tell you who registered it and when.
    If you can not find DBGM then try D.R.G.M. and ask then about DBGM.
    Good luck.
    I have had good luck with D.R.G.M. numbers.

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